do pros bend their irons stronger

Even with the knowledge of club bending and its importance on your play, there are a lot of misconceptions about what can and cant be done with a clubs loft and lie. [/quote] Then again, I'm not sure that the spin you are talking about is a problem. more upright = more of a draw, more flat= fade. Most launch monitors are not very friendly to lefties so I don't even bother. [quote name='Kenny Lee Puckett' timestamp='1441131685' post='12246270'] It is just a way to fit the club for your swing, nothing that is going to help your game unless you fall into the same catagory. You can easily bend the lofts and lies to be progressively consistent from one club to the next with zero tolerance. That's really surprising for amateurs. It has to do with posture and arm length and swing arc. [b]I'm guessing when most say they have been bent 2 degrees, they are talking about the loft[/b]. You should only really bend your golf clubs yourself if you have the right equipment at home to do the job. This sounds like a lot of advice from people who have never been high ball speed, high spin, high trajectory players. Using an example of bending a full club strong, say 4*, what's the difference in hitting a 7 iron at *32 to hitting a 6 iron at *32. Display as a link instead, I would never ever think of doing this on my own. [/quote] Can then bend the irons to get the sole level at impact - or with Ping you'll order them to suit. Of course the 4* bend is just to illustrate the point but it's better than describing everything in fractions of clubs. more upright = more of a draw, more flat= fade. I've noticed that some of the higher launching/spinning players on tour (Rory, J-Day, etc) have their irons bent strong and I'm looking to hear some pro's and con's of doing this. It wouldn't surprise me if that's exactly why Jason Day chooses to play 4-P all bent a club strong. You're actual numbers are really not that bad, they a bit over the PGA tour average but I'm not sure it's worth adjusting all your clubs over. Golf is hard enough without a bag full of easy swings an choke downs? Let me know what you think of the idea and/or if you have other suggestions to control my spin/launch, I'd love to hear them. PING's i210 are the second most popular with 8 using them. Pros can easily hit their 7 iron over 170 yards or more. This sounds like a lot of advice from people who have never been high ball speed, high spin, high trajectory players. [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1441037749' post='12239474'] To make sure shots are flighted properly, lighter shafts are usually used in stronger-lofted models, like the KBS Max in Callaway's Rogue and TaylorMade M4. You need a steep angle of attack to bend weaker as bounce is increased degree for degree. [/quote]tango xray 3 3 gives a great visual during practice with that hoop! Now tilt the club grip end down a bit so that the club's toe comes up off the ground a fair bit and you'll see the pencil now points subtantially more leftward than before. Taking the next club up isn't as easy because the lengths are longer and it won't be as easy to control. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. (I think) I know this isn't real complexI guess what I'm asking is, I'm not sure what he testedI'm guessing lie since I hit on a board. On the one hand to adjust the lie individually. If you take your clubs to a fitter or professional, you can expect to pay somewhere between $5-$20 per club, but a lot will depend on the price of amendments in your local area. Club Repair Seminar shows golfers the importance of checking the specs.. 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Of the 59 irons surveyed in the chart, if a traditional 7-iron is 34 (thanks to this GolfWeek article ), that means 15 of them are 34 or 1 weaker than traditional loft, AND 44 are 1 or more stronger. 2023 Acushnet Company. 6-iron launch: 17* To do this I will need to bend the 6 iron - PW 1 degree stronger. You cannot paste images directly. R11S 8* square; Stock stiff Pros and cons? 6-iron spin: 6850 RPM [/quote] I'm also a very high spin player and I'm thinking this might help keep my iron distances consistent, especially when playing in the wind which I often do. It will just require substituting a hybrid for the 5 iron and up rather than for the 4 iron and up. So, unless you plan on bending a significant number of golf clubs (and you plan on doing it more than once), it makes much more sense to pay a club-fitter to bend your golf clubs on your behalf. I was wondering if bending my irons 1 to 2 degrees strong at a golf shop will change the playability of the 712 AP2s. Should You Bend Your Irons? Therefore, if youre planning to bend your high-quality cast clubs, our advice remains the same check in with a local club fitter in your area and ask them to complete the work on your behalf. Hitting off a lie board covers the in-store, sell you a set of clubs mantra. 6-iron launch: 17* Bubba might better be able to answer that question, I know you can with the mb or cbs. Currently I'm playing 712 MB's with x100 shafts at standard loft. I agree with what you're saying entirely, I know I have to get my spinloft down. I know a guy who is about 5'6" and has shortish arms for his size. You cannot paste images directly. 5 iron 26 198 As mentioned, if youre thinking about bending your golf clubs, wed recommend consulting a professional club fitter first and getting a second opinion. IMO there is no reason to start bending your Titleist strong dude. He had me hit on a board and said that I needed 1/2 inch long. Maybe a little further, maybe a little lower, maybe to change bounce, maybe just looks/feels better. The cb301 had an x100 and the blade had a modus 125x. Even the most skilled repair professionals can occasionally break a club. You'll shallow out impact (lower AoA) and reduce dynamic loft > combined they will reduce spin loft. Could be the flatter lie angles. WIth KLP on this one: bending stronger for spin reduction/trajectory is IMHO missing the point, fix impact first. Then, if you decide to carry out the work, its best to take the clubs to a fitter to do it on your behalf. Older irons can be bent to achieve better gaping and additional distance, but the distance increases will be very small. This is especially true of clubs made with long hosels. 6 iron SS: 95.5 mph. I do feel like I need to improve my spin loft, but I know tweaking the clubs might help as well. get to work on improving your spinloft with your irons (I'm assuming this gets really really bad with you shortest clubs). And that changes the flight of the ball right? [quote name='Kenny Lee Puckett' timestamp='1441131685' post='12246270'] ps i see a poster right before mine made comments about " good players " and their abilities to manipulate flight and trajectory of the ball just because a player has strong lofted irons does not give one indication of their ability so jump off your high horse .just because you may have a low handicap does not make you elite enough to judge others .. IMO there is no reason to start bending your Titleist strong dude. These are forgiving clubs so you can work on this new action and learn it in relative safety. The most common reason for playing a stronger loft is to fill a gap in the bag, usually the long irons (lots of 4 irons bent strong) but throughout the set it would be uncommon to see more than 1* difference from standard either way. Will that change the playability of the irons dramatically? Are Tommy Armour Clubs Good? The iron will roll 'open' when bent strong. Mickesgolf When watching PGA tour on TV, sometimes we are surprised by the distance that the pros hit with their iron. Oddly, despite several swing changes over many years have consistently need a couple of degrees upright (Ping green code equivalnet, i think..). wil wait and see after my present promising swing changes.! The key variable ( among other variables) is the distance from your wrists to the ground at address. Bending the hosel toward or away from the face plane, opens or closes the clubs face angle. Reset Password It also improved my gapping, even though they were all bent the same 2* strong. I choose my lofts based on the yardages I want to hit it and nothing else. By the way, thank you all for your input! Looks like a bit more than expected for a standard lofted 6 but not crazy. 4 iron 22 206 MEMBER REVIEWS: Cleveland Frontline Elite Putters! TXG Custom PXG 0211 6-pw, 1* flat, Recoil ESX 460 R. Callaway MD5 46*, Tour Issue DG S200. Bending say, 2* strong would have minimal effect on offset. [quote name='tx33' timestamp='1444281825' post='12426402'] gonna give the "reality" recommendation so far. Cobra King LTD 17* w/Blueboard, Scor 50* RTX3 54* MD5 58* Yes, when we talk of bending golf clubs, the iron family are the best candidates. [quote name='AustinA' timestamp='1444322114' post='12428254'] Well, I'm a touch over 6'. What do you mean about not seeing any changes in your irons? I'm also a very high spin player and I'm thinking this might help keep my iron distances consistent, especially when playing in the wind which I often do. enjoy the game and enjoy your new irons: standard lie, loft and length works for 90% of recreational golfers. Odyssey Versa Works Limited #7. Most guys would love to have a little extra spin on those longer irons to hold greens, personally I would tweak the swing a bit but I wouldn't really change to much else as you have a huge advantage having that little extra spin there with a club like a 6 iron. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. tiger does it, hyuck hyuck. Pleased in both regard, distance and ball flight is good. Do you have any recommendations for drills or things to practice in order to improve it? Gotcha. GM Never Compromise GM2 putter Upload or insert images from URL. gonna give the "reality" recommendation so far. Currently I'm playing 712 MB's with x100 shafts at standard loft. You can easily bend the lofts and lies to be progressively consistent from one club to the next with zero tolerance. Axis 1 Rose model 35.5'' My wingspan finger tip to finger tip is 78". Bending golf clubs is a viable option if youre looking to adjust the lie angle and loft of your golf clubs. "Just change your swing" isn't always the answer. XXIO X Series 5 Wood! IMO there is no reason to start bending your Titleist strong dude. Perhaps he likes the look of offset and that's how he chooses to get it done. Will I be digging too much? 4 iron 24 200 I would be pleased with them. GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 24, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 17, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 10, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, March 27, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, March 20, By So he decide just to make them all 3 degrees stronger instead of shortening them. A Good Fit for a Clubfitter is the Post Fit. If you feel like you are spinning the 6 too much for a certain type of shot on a particular day, hit a knock down 5 iron or scrub some speed off the 6. YOU have to be in control of trajectory in your iron play, tweaking your specs is just a bandaid. I am 6ft tall and was fit into 2 deg upright. Lastly I thought bending irons stronger, influenced the bounce of the club as well. SW: 56* Scratch Tour Dept(CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold Spinner Biggest difference is in hit 2 degree upright in the center much more often and not as thin. [quote name='HandsomeMatt' timestamp='1441040098' post='12239780'] Day in particular looks like he's always hitting 100% or more. There does seem to be an abrupt cut off on the minimum iron loft at slower swing speeds. SeeMore M6 I've noticed that some of the higher launching/spinning players on tour (Rory, J-Day, etc) have their irons bent strong and I'm looking to hear some pro's and con's of doing this. Yes delofting affects bounce. However, correcting the loft and angle by bending the clubs is a super quick way of fixing this issue. Leather Golf Grips Review: Should I Use Them? Titleist Pro V1x 6 iron 30 180 When you get your set of irons, make sure that both thew lofts AND the lies are checked for consistency. Your previous content has been restored. But that's not the only reason for that. All gripped w/ Lamkin Crossline ACE Midsize, with buildup tape 15.5mm RH/16mm LH. 6 iron SS: 95.5 mph To bend a club effectively, you need to use a club bending machine or take your clubs to a professional to do it on your behalf. [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1441037749' post='12239474'] which leads to your observation since a rather huge majority of golfers slice the ball (even if they like to call it a fade) then a simple band-aid is to bend it more upright.. in the same way most drivers have their faces set closed at address and also with far more upright lie angles than 'fits'. I read your comments on why some bend lofts on iron sets strong and i try to swing smooth because to me swinging hard offers little to no benefit ,please remember im talking about me and not others in general , i have lost speed on my swing over the last 5 years where it was noticable to me , but i truly started losing speed after my rotator cuff and bicep tendon tear on my right arm , i cant say it was a noticable difference but that is when it started in 2010 is when i started bending all my irons strong because of lost distance because i was hitting irons 1/4 to 1/2 a club different and it progressed over the next few seasons to a full 1/2 a club or about 2 degree's and then came a hip replacement in 2014 and when i got back to playing regularly i was bending a 46 degree wedge to 43 degree / 9 iron 39 degree's and so on and i did that to try to get to the same distance i had in 2010 where i hit GW 110 / PW 120 /9 iron 130 and it progressed from there .. Nike Vapor Fly 20*, ATX Tour Green 85TX [/quote] I will also need to bend my irons 2 degrees flat according to a lie board. 54*, 58* TM TP wedges 3* flat. It would definitely not work for me but might be ok for you. You can post now and register later. 5-G TXG Custom King Cobra Nova, 25 gram weights, Garsen Ultimate grip. ** Due to coronavirus and the work restrictions in place here in Michigan, for international orders, please email info@mitchellgolf.com for a complete quote. IMO there is no reason to start bending your Titleist strong dude. RBZ 25* hb; RBZstage 2 19* hb My swing has changed over the years a fair bit, yet i've always needed irons a bit upright from standard (a Euro standard although even that isn't really set in stone or anything).. Taylormade Aeroburner TP 15* GD AD-BB 7x. gonna give the "reality" recommendation so far. Pasted as rich text. How do they test to determine which launch angle best suits you. I read your comments on why some bend lofts on iron sets strong and i try to swing smooth because to me swinging hard offers little to no benefit ,please remember im talking about me and not others in general , i have lost speed on my swing over the last 5 years where it was noticable to me , but i truly started losing speed after my rotator cuff and bicep tendon tear on my right arm , i cant say it was a noticable difference but that is when it started in 2010 is when i started bending all my irons strong because of lost distance because i was hitting irons 1/4 to 1/2 a club different and it progressed over the next few seasons to a full 1/2 a club or about 2 degree's and then came a hip replacement in 2014 and when i got back to playing regularly i was bending a 46 degree wedge to 43 degree / 9 iron 39 degree's and so on and i did that to try to get to the same distance i had in 2010 where i hit GW 110 / PW 120 /9 iron 130 and it progressed from there .. Although the process is relatively straightforward, its all about fine margins, and you can get it wrong if you dont know what youre doing. Clear editor. I think I know the answer, but would love to hear everyone's reasons. Its all about ball flight and gaps. Sign up to receive product offers and news! I tried to do a search for this topic, so if it has been disscussed I apologize. [/quote] Thanks, [quote name='clemsondds' post='1859449' date='Aug 2 2009, 02:39 PM']Thanks but I'm more curious about launch angle. clemsondds, August 1, 2009 in WRX Club Techs, Hey guys, just wondering if some of ya'll can explain why people bend their irons up to 2 degrees? See What Members Are Saying! Maltby KE4 14* 3w , Axe Excaliber R flex tipped 1" How accurate are the loft and lie readings of clubs straight from the manufacturer? "Just change your swing" isn't always the answer. [/quote] I had a lot of success bringing my spin rate and trajectory down to something more playable in the wind by tweaking the lofts a little strong. get to work on improving your spinloft with your irons (I'm assuming this gets really really bad with you shortest clubs). Is this something everyone should be doing, or is it very specific to a certain type of swing? Move it more downline untill you achieve the desired trajectory. You cannot paste images directly. You can take your clubs to a fitter, and they will be able to check the angles and lofts of each of your irons and make any necessary adjustments based on what they find. hit a few balls each PW, 9, 8, 7, WAY back in your stance, I mean move it so far back it feels ludicrous. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Which is more typical to change? I have a natural draw. I agree with what you're saying entirely, I know I have to get my spinloft down. I have read that if you bend 1 degree strong you lower the bounce on the iron. I'm curious about this as well. Paste as plain text instead, so with that said my stronger lofts were nothing more than trying to maintain past iron distances , i would love to be able to hit a 47 or 48 degree pw 120 yrs or even a 155 to 160 yr 7 iron but age and injuries have seem to make that a next to impossible task By Greyson P. I just purchase a great used 712 AP2 set. was good. The flex will be X-stiff or XX-stiff for the strong pros who hit the ball a mile. [/quote] If your intent is to modify them by making them one degree strong, you will be changing the play of the iron, and also the physical appearance possible (could be debatable if the human eye can tell one degree, I'm not sure since I have never had to do this to any of my sets.). Depending on how often you play, iron head material softer forged carbon steels will move more with regular use and course conditions (firm versus soft), you very well could benefit from. Basically almost all irons we offer on ExactGolf like all Miuras, Honmas TR20, Vegas and some Mizunos. Using an example of bending a full club strong, say 4*, what's the difference in hitting a 7 iron at *32 to hitting a 6 iron at *32. Believe it or not, my spin loft used to be worse, but I'm kind of in a rut right now. It wouldn't surprise me if that's exactly why Jason Day chooses to play 4-P all bent a club strong. Hi Greyson, Bending your irons strong will reduce the bounce of the club. The majority of handicap golfers fight a slice. [/quote] Machines that adjust for all hosel positions, such asMitchell Angle Machinesare accurate regardless of the offset or hosel design of the golf club. If the hosel design and manufacturing processes allow it, the lie of an iron can be bent 3-4 degrees or more with no compromise to the integrity of the head. Mickesgolf [/color] [color=#282828]This made me wonder about messing with lofts and bounce (not to mention offset). So I'm in the process of getting new irons and I'm curious about the idea of getting them bent a degree or two strong. #3 there are no real cons, bend away and try it. Great answer Blake. It seems like some of you are talking about loft and some are talking about lie angle. [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pszXHplqx4"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pszXHplqx4[/url] (DTL). Diamana GT 70 TX TM Tour Tip. Does the aggressive swing impart that much more dynamic loft and create that much more spin? I agree with what you're saying entirely, I know I have to get my spinloft down. Pasted as rich text. [quote name='Kenny Lee Puckett' timestamp='144131685' post='12246270'] Nike Vapor Flex 9.5* Left/Low, Rogue Max Low 75TX They are just tweaking the sets to fit their distance needs. Currently I'm playing 712 MB's with x100 shafts at standard loft. This also means youre much less likely to screw the process up, and your clubs will be bent to perfection! Callaway Apex Pro 16 KBS Tour V x Using the straight line marked ball on face, hitting off REAL grass will produce best results for lie angle, https://forums.golfwrx.com/topic/1840618-witb-731-full-bag/. Vice versa if the club is upright. An affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon. Equipment counts courtesy of Darrell Survey. a few generalizations about lie angles: short golfers (think Ian Woosnam) will often require flatter lies; tall golfers (think Tom Weiskopf) will often benefit from more upright lies. There are different golf club bending machines out there at different price points, so you have lots of options to choose from if you want to bend your clubs yourself. so with that said my stronger lofts were nothing more than trying to maintain past iron distances , i would love to be able to hit a 47 or 48 degree pw 120 yrs or even a 155 to 160 yr 7 iron but age and injuries have seem to make that a next to impossible task no i've struggled with a fade all season. thanks[/quote] I agree with what you're saying entirely, I know I have to get my spinloft down. Swing: [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRK_GXV7rDg"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRK_GXV7rDg[/url] (Driver FV) Then again this is all coming from a low spin player. It is just a way to fit the club for your swing, nothing that is going to help your game unless you fall into the same catagory. [quote name='HandsomeMatt' timestamp='1441040098' post='12239780'] You can post now and register later. Fitting.. gives you a choice. Hes happy to answer any of your questions! [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1441037749' post='12239474'] gonna give the "reality" recommendation so far. Nike VR Pro LE 15*, 'Ahina 75s [quote name='Dan Drake' timestamp='1441041993' post='12239944'] stay away from attempting this on the course, and stay away from longer irons, until you've put in the time on the practice tee. Loft and lie changes are more or less permanent. You should absolutely give it a try with a few clubs and see what you think, you can always go back and it might just work. ps i see a poster right before mine made comments about " good players " and their abilities to manipulate flight and trajectory of the ball just because a player has strong lofted irons does not give one indication of their ability so jump off your high horse .just because you may have a low handicap does not make you elite enough to judge others .. [quote name='rybo' timestamp='1441146850' post='12247568'] [/quote] It is all about fitting. Some really do need more upright lies. #2 reason is to space yardage gaps as needed. Like said earlier there is no "real" standard. Not sure about the AP2s. Does the aggressive swing impart that much more dynamic loft and create that much more spin? Do you have any recommendations for drills or things to practice in order to improve it? Why not take one more club, and how much distance do you gain with 1*. I am wanting to bend my 5-PW one degree stronger and my 4 irontwo degrees stronger to fit better with my wedges and hybrid golf club. I would think if anything it just shows that some taller people are getting into golf. Anything more than 2 degrees and the effect on offset is noticeable Now, your club is set to be at the right lie angle for YOU at impact - and now it is up to YOU whether that's ok or whether you need to fix a hook or slice tendency. The mark on the sole will show if your clubhead is level or toe up or down at impact. 6-iron spin: 6850 RPM [/quote] AutoFlex Golf Shaft Review: 8 Crucial Facts Before You Buy! So, there is obviously a new standard that the club-manufacturers have begun, so lets say the NEW 7-iron loft . CallawayTCB w/ LAgolf L-series 5 [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1441037749' post='12239474'] Your previous content has been restored. Cleveland RTX 2.0 50*, 55*, 60* [/quote] Started Yesterday at 10:25 AM. How I go about it would be to get your loft and lies checked, then hit ball on trackman/flightscope/gc2, figure your carry numbers and adjust accordingly if you are that serious about doing it. No, they are talking about the lie, not the loft. Anyone know if most pros have this done? So I'm in the process of getting new irons and I'm curious about the idea of getting them bent a degree or two strong. It is all about fitting. Titleist's T100 irons are the most used irons by the top 100 PGA Tour players with 9 playing them as their main irons and 3 using one or two in their mixed iron set. 7 iron 34 165 Looking For Advice or Feedback, Stealth 3 Wood, Unique Odyssey, RTX Raw, Epic Flash, Ping Eye 2 BeCu 1 iron - $1,000here me out, Your Choice of EvnRoll ER11v Mallets ($210). [quote name='OldGolfer87' timestamp='1444324826' post='12428468'] They will adjust each iron to get even gaps between each iron. Did I just answer my owne questions, do pro's bend the clubs stronger to have less bounce? Started Yesterday at 10:25 AM, Please put and questions or comments here, Please put any questions or comments here. It can be re-bent without any adverse effect on it. It is not the old chestnut that more upright causes heel to dig in early and cause a more left (draw/pull shot) but that a more upright causes the face to be facing more leftward at impact (than it would otherwise do) - stick a pencil on to the face of your 7 iron so it faces out at 90 degress to the face and if you then hold it exactly level on the ground it (the pencil - and the face) will point at your target. So tweak to fit your gaps Terms & Conditions gonna give the "reality" recommendation so far. Do you have any recommendations for drills or things to practice in order to improve it? The angle and loft of your golf clubs are extremely important. Hogan was big into this. Apologies for the generalization to right-handed golfers, the opposite will obviously apply to lefties. Iwas wondering if I could bend my 712 AP2 irons strong and not see any changes in the irons. then reapeat, but, move the ball more forward(note the change). [quote name='OldGolfer87' timestamp='1444324826' post='12428468'] How do they test to determine which launch angle best suits you. By The most easy 'drill' is just hit it lower visually place a hoola hoop a few feet downline and hit the ball through it. In other words, make your 7 the length and lie of an 8, which should reduce the spin a bit.

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